Thursday, November 15, 2007

Coexist?

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A bit harder, eh?

Because nothing spells 'Merica like encouraging Us. v. Them partisanship and purity tests, or encouraging Republicans to think that everyone else is evil.

Hat tip Tom McMahon.

Then there's this old one:

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Hat tip to ex-pat John Walker.

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Posted by Owen at 2102 hrs
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  1. My goodness, what a horrible mishmash of paranoid uselesness and random association. My brain cannot handle such confusion. I will now return to my recliner, Manhattan in hand, and return to the Fox News channel. The outrage! Commercials. The outrage! Commercials. Ooo, sexy outrage. Commercials. Rant! Outrage! Hmm, commercials.

    Posted by on November 16, 2007 at 0624 hrs

  2. I never was comfortable with that bumper sticker.  It should have been a much longer phrase to show true inclusiveness. And I don’t think there’s any need at all to put a swastika in it to bring it to the fore.  It’s simply the case that many of the religious traditions represented in it are fundamentally opposed to coexistence with other faiths.  Christianity included.  The extent to which the people of these faiths have learned to coexist is the precise extent to which they have learned to abandon and ignore certain aspects of their tradition.  I say we could use more of that.  Let’s abandon them altogether.  Much of traditional religious doctrine is nothing more than superstitious nonsense mashed up with obvious or half-baked, pseudo-intellectual philosophy.  Ultimately, nothing is gained by believing things that aren’t true.  I swore off it years ago. Except Christmas. If she doesn't get me a good present this year, I'm going to be pretty mad.

    Posted by scott on November 16, 2007 at 0718 hrs

  3. LOL. Exactly why the original bumper sticker is so poignant.

    It’s the 21st century, we live in the most technologically advanced society on earth, and yet a governor was recently asking a sky wizard for rain, and a President said that God was on his side in a war that's killed tens of thousands of civilians.

    Seems we haven’t really advanced all that far after all.

    Posted by on November 16, 2007 at 0745 hrs

  4. Owen, is your friend Tom McMahon in touch with reality?

    Replacing the Star of David with the Swastika is despicable!

    Did I, perhaps, miss something?

    Posted by on November 16, 2007 at 0852 hrs

  5. Yeah, those bumper stickers are pretty lame.  You can’t fit any good policy position on a 6 inch sticker.  It’s a nice thought, but a bit far-fetched.

    If only we could live in a world where the people that believe that a cosmic Jewish zombie who is his own father can remove the evil forces attached to us when a woman created from a rib ate a piece of fruit she got from a talking snake if we telepathically tell him we accept him and symbolically drink his blood and eat his skin, could live in peace with the people that believe that God revealed his law to a nutcase via a dream and that nutcase eventually assended to heaven on winged horse of fire and that God rewards his most loyal followers with pussy. 

    You may say that I’m a dreamer, but I’m not the only one....

    Posted by on November 16, 2007 at 0927 hrs

  6. Clearly those of you who mock Christianity have no idea the deep and meaningful impact it has had not only on the individual lives of its followers, but on Western culture. It had a great impact on those who survived the first wave of conversion in their geographic areas. I’d highly recommend picking up a copy of “How the Catholic Church Built Western Civilization” to dispel some of that ignorance. It was a book written by Catholics. It is therefore inerrant, like the Pope. By "Christianity", I mean Catholics.

    Getting rid of religion - as they did in communist nations - has definitely yielded the atheistic political utopia liberals long for.  Only 100,000,000 people killed by those who believed religion was nothing more than the “opiate for the masses"… (That's not even counting the people killed by believers, but I'm pretty sure the former is bigger than the latter, so my point must still be true.)

    Nice. And I say "Nice" in the same tone of voice as I say "Fine." My husband knows exactly what means. Do you? Sit. Stay. Good Daddy! Now go to work. Mommy has blogging to do.

    Posted by Amy P. on November 16, 2007 at 1005 hrs

  7. Throughout history religion has been a force of good and evil.  Anyone with half a brain can see where theology can benefit and hinder society as a whole. The success of human civilization is going to partly depend on the masses realizing we can’t depend on some nice stories to base our societies on.  Our problems are too big to be solved by mythology dreamed up in times far different than our own.

    Posted by on November 16, 2007 at 1023 hrs

  8. Amy, no doubt Christianity and other religions have enriched many of their followers. There are some nice messages about peace and love to be found in all the religious texts, not to mention the naughty bits. But a million things from yoga to poetry to sailing to getting on the treadmill three times a week also enrich people. Difference is, the latter things don’t have the inevitable tendency to get distorted and turn people against each other.

    Posted by on November 16, 2007 at 1029 hrs

  9. Hand-wringing aside, I think Pete put it best with this line: “What would our world look like if the Greatest Generation had chosen to co-exist with the Nazis and the Commies?”

    No, he was talking about 1938 to 1945 with all the cool movies, not the ensuing fifty years where we did coexist with the former Nazis and the then-Commies. I mean, those movies are cool, too, but many were not in black-and-white, and the number of period-accurate props like tanks and jeeps has declined over time.

    Posted by still Unreal... on November 16, 2007 at 1040 hrs

  10. still unreal - Are you saying that we cannot coexisist with Islam?  Equating a religion with billions of followers with nazism is unreal.

    Equating Hitler with Shrillary or a mayor in Sheboygan, we'll leave to the Milwaukee Conservative Chorus.

    Posted by on November 16, 2007 at 1112 hrs

  11. You people are all completely correct… What the hell are we doing paying attention to such outdated ideals as “Thou shalt not STEAL” or “Thou shalt not commit ADULTERY”, or “Thou shalt not KILL”?  These concepts have absolutely no relevance in our time. There are seven more, but I can't recall them off the top of my head. They're pretty damn important, I tell you.

    And while we’re on the subject, let’s take a look at the irony of declaring all religion “half-baked, pseudo-intellectual philosophy”, and actually using the words “pseudo-intellectual"…

    Posted by on November 16, 2007 at 1116 hrs

  12. It's due to the new liturgical practices that violate Redemptionis Sacramentum. This process began with Pius IX’s 1864 Syllabus of Errors, which condemned the radical elements of the liberal movement, and has continued all the way through John Paul II’s encyclical letter, Fides et Ratio. By asserting this, however, I am also recognizing that the Church has condemned the excesses and abuses of liberalism. Among these would be the errors of atomistic individualism, the absolute right to private property, the idea that law originates from the will of the people, and the rejection of legitimate authority, especially the moral authority of the Church. Yet I would suggest that these condemnations, and others, have been carefully focused on specific errors of liberalism so as not to disregard many of the key insights that liberals advanced, such as religious liberty, freedom of association, and economic liberty. Admittedly, the Church has prudently taken more than a century to develop her teaching on these matters. Consequently, the nuancing of liberalism has been gradual and slow to develop.

    Posted by dad29 on November 16, 2007 at 1207 hrs

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